Getting started in deer hunting!!

[ivanthehunter]

Deer hunting..

Land & Deer
100 acres is a suitable amount of land to hunt deer but more would be better.
The rangers will have to be satisfied that a) there are Deer there & b) there are sufficient numbers of deer there to warrant hunting.

Qualification
No Exam is legally required and with a bit of research you can learn just as much but i suppose its not a bad idea to learn from dedicated hunters, as a few hours tutition could unearth tricks of the trade that might otherwise take a lifetime to discover or perhapse the penny might never drop for some;)

The correct firearm
A rifle is needed min caliber .22 also it must be capable of delivering a min of 1700ft/lbs and have a minimum bullet size of 55grain.

On the form that you fill in, for deer hunting, it states that a 22-250 is the minimum caliber rifle that they will licence. Most hunters would advise between a .243 and a .308(nato 7.62mm).
You could see a change the minimuim firearm for deer hunting to a .243 or even higher, so its prob not a bad idea to future proof any purchases against future legislation and go bigger that a 22-250.

What to do now
Deer have a season which generally starts from the begining of Sept and runs to the end of Feb and it takes about 4 weeks to get a hunting licence issued, but you'll probable have to wait a lot longer to get firearm licence from garda.



Go to a gun shop! place a deposit on a suitable firearm and take note of the serial number..then
Then apply for hunting licence: here you'll have to provide the make & caliber of you firearm and its serial number..then
Go to garda station speak to FO(he or she is normaly a garda who they all call the firearms officer!) Ask him/her for the relevant forms and fill them in either at home or there if you have all the data..

-----------You'll need
Folio number, Land owners written permission, gun serial number, deer hunting licence and if all goes well you'll need €38 in a few (good few) weeks

You will need the folio number of the land that you are allowed to hunt on. Be very careful here! some landowner don't actually own the right to hunt on their own land!!! I know!!!! huh???
Find the folio map number and then check out the easements in the burdens section associated with that folio number. Do this before you buy(or place a deposit on) a firearm because if its not all in order then you wont be allowed hunt and you'll get no licence and you'll lose you deposit!! ye it a **** world, i know...

If you have any hassle finding your folio number and then PM me, I'll see what i can do as i have a private user account with the Land registration office as i'm a land surveyor! cool HUH.

You might have to speak with you crime prevention officer(Garda) and he'll judge what requirement you'll need to safely own and posses a firearm and ammunition to suit, be warned that he might insist on a monitored alarm system, which is not compulsory but he can insist on it for large center fire firearms but he will definitely insist on a safe and he might want to come out to your house to see its...

Insurance
Insurance can be got from a few different crowds such as the IFA countryside, Countryside Alliance and nrgc, as with home and motor insurance you'd be smart to check out the cost and the range of their insurance. I am with the IFA as they have good deals on phone bill via vodofone and they as so cover any dogs that i own(licensed in my name) and all for €60, oh ye they also in sure any hunting and shooting activities as long as everything is legal and above board.

Regards Ivan.

Best of luck

[foxshooter243]

http://ftp3.dns-systems.net/~zgh1209/irishdeersociety.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=10&Itemid=28

Heres a link to the h cap if needed;its the proficiency course required for shooting on coilte lands.

[patrickdt10]

Deer hunting..


The correct firearm
A rifle is needed min caliber .22 also it must be capable of delivering a min of 1700ft/lbs and have a minimum bullet size of 55grain.

On the form that you fill in, for deer hunting, it states that a 22-250 is the minimum caliber rifle that they will licence. Most hunters would advise between a .243 and a .308(nato 7.62mm).
You could see a change the minimuim firearm for deer hunting to a .243 or even higher, so its prob not a bad idea to future proof any purchases against future legislation and go bigger that a 22-250.


Best of luck

i have heard from a gun dealer about someone been issued with a .223 for hunting deer. just by looking at the shell your logic would tell you it would not be the most suitable bullet choice. the reason i say this is that the .220 swift would be more capable than a .223 imo. do any of ye see a chance of 22 centrefires being legalised for shooting deer in this country

[foxshooter243]

i have heard from a gun dealer about someone been issued with a .223 for hunting deer. just by looking at the shell your logic would tell you it would not be the most suitable bullet choice. the reason i say this is that the .220 swift would be more capable than a .223 imo. do any of ye see a chance of 22 centrefires being legalised for shooting deer in this country

patrick was the 223 issued for deer because they had a section 42?..

[patrickdt10]

patrick was the 223 issued for deer because they had a section 42?..

i dont know. we were talkin about the swift and he said he knew of a 223 being licensed.
also it shows how unknowledgeable the authorities are that issue these licenses, if they were to issue a license for the 223

[foxshooter243]

i dont know. we were talkin about the swift and he said he knew of a 223 being licensed.

The swift when it was introduced was lauded as the varmint cartridge par exellence as it was, it was first introduced in the model 54 bolt action
winchester as a long range varmint round, it soon had a band of devoted
followers who used it on everything from prairie dogs to bears, it accounted for some spectacular kills on large game but it also had some spectacular failures-this set the stage for plenty of debating on the merits of the 220 swift-one of the reasons and probably the main reason why the swifts performance on deer sized game was arguable in its early days was the bullet
technology available at the time- P.O.Ackley had solved the swifts problem by developing a "hard" bullet capable of penetrating a deers vitals much the same as the 22-250 does today and is considered acceptable, but by this stage the swift had recieved too much bad press and never recovered as is normally the case in life, however fast forward to today and i have chronographed a 22-250 with a 55 grain "hard " bullet which is quite legal in ireland and a 220 swift loaded with the same 55 grain "hard" bullet, and the swift was developing marginally faster muzzle velocity, therefore the swift in that case was deer suitable but not deer legal in Ireland.
On a side note i was talking to a guy on the american forums who had shot a Caribou through the head with a swift , and he told me that " youd think someone had scooped out its brains with a spoon" the distance 376 yards.

[ivanthehunter]

chronographed a 22-250 with a 55 grain "hard " bullet which is quite legal in ireland and a 220 swift loaded with the same 55 grain "hard" bullet, and the swift was developing marginally faster muzzle velocity, therefore the swift in that case was deer suitable but not deer legal in Ireland..
I examined the ammunition makers data sheets on 22/250 ammo velocity and muzzle energy and i don't believe that i found any factory ammunition of 55 grain that was able to deliver the required 1700 ft/lb in 22-250:eek:.
Even with most factory ammo spec's i had to go to the 60 grain to achieve energy's over 1700 ft/lbs. Any thought..

On a side note i was talking to a guy on the american forums who had shot a Caribou through the head with a swift , and he told me that " youd think someone had scooped out its brains with a spoon" the distance 376 yards. Shusss!! I have hundreds of unlicenced spoons at home! Don't tell tell anybody:eek:

I know I'd have to ride the caribou like a wild horse while attempting to scoop out the brains but thats how i like to spend a lazy sat,:rolleyes:

[Hartman]

i have heard from a gun dealer about someone been issued with a .223 for hunting deer. just by looking at the shell your logic would tell you it would not be the most suitable bullet choice. the reason i say this is that the .220 swift would be more capable than a .223 imo. do any of ye see a chance of 22 centrefires being legalised for shooting deer in this country

tbh id have to see that licence to believe it, manys a story ive heard in gun dealers on a saturday

1. the garda would have to make a mistake on the forms (easily done)
2. npws would more than likely scrutinise an application with a caliber of .223 and grain weight under the required 100

(that being said allowances can be made for anything in this country!)

[e. fudd]

and grain weight under the required 100

I'm not too sure that there is a minimum grain weight is there?

I stated .243 95grain on last years application and it was approved no problem!

[ivanthehunter]

I'm not too sure that there is a minimum grain weight is there?

I stated .243 95grain on last years application and it was approved no problem!


There is a min grain weight! its 55 grains as stated by the minister in the statute book which superseed all other rules laid down by either garda or npws.

There is also the possibility that section 42's might not be so strict with the rules as animals are deemed as pests under certain conditions. IMO

Remember that you can get a licence to do anything to anything with anything.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie

S.I. No. 239/1977 — Wildlife Act, 1976 (Firearms and Ammunition) Regulations, 1977.
S.I. No. 239/1977

not sure why the link won't go active!!

Get stuck in chaps!!

[Hartman]

I'm not too sure that there is a minimum grain weight is there?

I stated .243 95grain on last years application and it was approved no problem!

i was under the impression grain weight was to be min 100, in saying that it was many years ago i was told that when applying for my first hunting licence

[ivanthehunter]

Extarct from the irish wildlife act 1976

S.I. No. 239/1977:

WILDLIFE ACT, 1976 (FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION) REGULATIONS, 1977.

WILDLIFE ACT, 1976 (FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION) REGULATIONS, 1977.

I, BRIAN LENIHAN, Minister for Fisheries, in exercise of the power conferred on me by section 33 (4) of the Wildlife Act, 1976 (No. 39 of 1976), as adapted by the Lands (Alteration of Name of Department and Title of Minister) Order, 1977 ( S.I. No. 29 of 1977 ), hereby make the following Regulations:—

1. These Regulations may be cited as the Wildlife Act, 1976 (Firearms and Ammunition) Regulations, 1977.

2. ( a ) The firearms and ammunition of the type and calibre specified in the Schedule to these Regulations may be used to hunt deer species.

( b ) Firearms and ammunition of any type and calibre other than the type and calibre specified in the Schedule to these Regulations shall not be used to hunt deer species.







SCHEDULE.

Firearms.

Centre-fire rifles of not less than ·22 calibre with a muzzle energy of not less than 1,700 foot pounds.

Ammunition.

Any bullet for use in such rifles, weighing not less than 55 grains.

GIVEN under my Official Seal, this 21st day of July, 1977.

BRIAN LENIHAN,

Minister for Fisheries.

EXPLANATORY NOTE.

These regulations specify the type and calibre of firearms and ammunition which may be used to shoot deer species and provide that no other type and calibre may be used for that purpose.

black and white, black and white,,,, sounds like a song i know:rolleyes:

[Hartman]

Extarct from the irish wildlife act 1976

S.I. No. 239/1977:

WILDLIFE ACT, 1976 (FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION) REGULATIONS, 1977.

WILDLIFE ACT, 1976 (FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION) REGULATIONS, 1977.

I, BRIAN LENIHAN, Minister for Fisheries, in exercise of the power conferred on me by section 33 (4) of the Wildlife Act, 1976 (No. 39 of 1976), as adapted by the Lands (Alteration of Name of Department and Title of Minister) Order, 1977 ( S.I. No. 29 of 1977 ), hereby make the following Regulations:—

1. These Regulations may be cited as the Wildlife Act, 1976 (Firearms and Ammunition) Regulations, 1977.

2. ( a ) The firearms and ammunition of the type and calibre specified in the Schedule to these Regulations may be used to hunt deer species.

( b ) Firearms and ammunition of any type and calibre other than the type and calibre specified in the Schedule to these Regulations shall not be used to hunt deer species.







SCHEDULE.

Firearms.

Centre-fire rifles of not less than ·22 calibre with a muzzle energy of not less than 1,700 foot pounds.

Ammunition.

Any bullet for use in such rifles, weighing not less than 55 grains.

GIVEN under my Official Seal, this 21st day of July, 1977.

BRIAN LENIHAN,

Minister for Fisheries.

EXPLANATORY NOTE.

These regulations specify the type and calibre of firearms and ammunition which may be used to shoot deer species and provide that no other type and calibre may be used for that purpose.

black and white, black and white,,,, sounds like a song i know:rolleyes:


ive read that before but ireland being ireland you go on what your told by the garda when applying

young and naieve i was

[ivanthehunter]

ive read that before but ireland being ireland you go on what your told by the garda when applying

young and naieve i was

I know thats how it is!! Well hopefully one day there will be one set of rules and they'll be easy to follow.. but until that day arrivers it going have to be yes sir no sir 3 bags full sir..:(

[foxshooter243]

Ivan is corrrect on this guys, and there are no plans to change it as the thinking is that as the other bigger calibres are available then deer hunters will
move up to whats considered more suitable calibres of their own accord.
The progression will be natural and will not require any change in legislation.

http://www.npws.ie/en/media/Media,3684,en.pdf

heres a link to the NPWS Deer hunting application form

[ivanthehunter]

I'd think that if the change the minimum caliber that they'd face some criticism from people that have 22-250's, as over night they would lose their sell ability!!
So in theory some folk would be out of pocket, also IMO there would trouble for people re applying for another caliber deer rifle as the garda could also use a new application as an opportunity to increase their security requirements and therefore the overall cost would rise..

How could the government increase the minimum caliber and not cause problems for the poor 22-250 owners??

[foxshooter243]

As far as ammo for the 22-250 goes Ivan, Iwouldnt be sure what ft/lbs the 55 grain ammo develops, id have to go look it up, but a gundealer in Donegal used to supply all the ammo to wildlife rangers for deer stalking told me that all they used was factory 55 grain 22-250 for years upon years, it may be changing now as the other calibres have become easier to get, but the bottom line is that a 22-250 using 55 grain ammo, with suitable heads is legal in this country and as i have said there are no plans to change it.

another anecdotal story here!-i went into my local doctor a few years back
and when i was going to pay him , a 220 swift bullet fell out of my pocket:o
he picked it up and said " ah a swift i see" he was south african and he told me his father kept a swift , i asked him what he shot with it and he replied
"antelope and stuff":eek:

[patrickdt10]

1. the garda would have to make a mistake on the forms (easily done)
(that being said allowances can be made for anything in this country!)

tbh you can find alot of templemore trained ballisticians too:D. there was cops round here that wouldnt license a .223 because it was an "army round";)

[ivanthehunter]

As far as ammo for the 22-250 goes Ivan, Iwouldnt be sure what ft/lbs the 55 grain ammo develops, id have to go look it up, but a gundealer in Donegal used to supply all the ammo to wildlife rangers for deer stalking told me that all they used was factory 55 grain 22-250 for years upon years, it may be changing now as the other calibres have become easier to get, but the bottom line is that a 22-250 using 55 grain ammo, with suitable heads is legal in this country and as i have said there are no plans to change it.

another anecdotal story here!-i went into my local doctor a few years back
and when i was going to pay him , a 220 swift bullet fell out of my pocket:o
he picked it up and said " ah a swift i see" he was south African and he told me his father kept a swift , i asked him what he shot with it and he replied
"antelope and stuff":eek:


Well foxshooter243 i heard that south African story before from a well respected poster on another forum in a galaxy far far away..;)

I checked out some standard 55garin ammo for both the swift and the 22-250 and TBH its energy was (i think< if memory serves me well) 1667 ft/lbs and tbh neither the swift or the 22-250 made the grade to achieve 1700ft/lb's when using 55 grain ammo.

I found from the manufactures i did check out, that one would have to go with a 60 grain and this achieved around 1747 ft/lb's for both firearms, obviously the swift was a little faster;)..

[ivanthehunter]

Looks like you can shoot muntjic deer all year long..
http://www.wilddeerireland.com/Seasons.html
Could it be a type-o ?

[foxshooter243]

Looks like you can shoot muntjic deer all year long..
http://www.wilddeerireland.com/Seasons.html
Could it be a type-o ?

No as far as I know its correct, seems like they want them gone.

[hindstalker]

no type o ivan they want them out.

[kerryman12]

I cant imagine it will apply to many of us though.

[Hartman]

I cant imagine it will apply to many of us though.

there was an article about this in this weeks 'wicklow people' newspaper i will scan it and post it up

[kerryman12]

there was an article about this in this weeks 'wicklow people' newspaper i will scan it and post it up

would be a interesting read

[hindstalker]

I cant imagine it will apply to many of us though.
any one with deer permit can shoot them all year round.

[Mac Tire]

so its all up to you guys down the country to stop them from getting up to me then so....;)

[kerryman12]

any one with deer permit can shoot them all year round.

I understand that, but my understanding is that they are very localised to the avoca river valley - thats where I am coming from. I am basing that on a article I ready a few months ago.

[Hartman]

so its all up to you guys down the country to stop them from getting up to me then so....;)

lol imagine the damage 165gr .308's are going to do to those fellas

[ivanthehunter]

if they (very x file type they) want them (muntjac) gone then every caliber should be brought to bear on them. There must be massive tracts of land in or around avoca where no deer hunting is carried out so to saw that "they want them gone" is a bit premature considering that these deer will infiltrate all types of terrain and all land in the avoca area.

If they where Aliens from the planet LV4-24 and we really had to wipe'em out this tactic would fail miserably.

any one with deer permit can shoot them all year round ??
Can you enter anybodies land...No yo can't

I'm not having a prod at anyone! I'm only trying to show how imbecilic this plan is...

[patrickdt10]

Looks like you can shoot muntjic deer all year long..
http://www.wilddeerireland.com/Seasons.html
Could it be a type-o ?

afaik its not !!!

[hindstalker]

if they (very x file type they) want them (muntjac) gone then every caliber should be brought to bear on them. There must be massive tracts of land in or around avoca where no deer hunting is carried out so to saw that "they want them gone" is a bit premature considering that these deer will infiltrate all types of terrain and all land in the avoca area.

If they where Aliens from the planet LV4-24 and we really had to wipe'em out this tactic would fail miserably.

??
Can you enter anybodies land...No yo can't

I'm not having a prod at anyone! I'm only trying to show how imbecilic this plan is...0f course you cant go on any ones land, and we all know that, once there here you will never get shot of them, that's not what you asked your question was. Looks like you can shoot muntjac deer all year long..
http://www.wilddeerireland.com/Seasons.html
Could it be a type-o ?
How if you had asked do we thing they will ever get the muntjac out or how is the best way to go about it then you would have got a different answer.
Sorry about that kerryman misunderstude your post:o

[kerryman12]

Sorry about that kerryman misunderstude your post

dont worry about it ;)

[steyr mannlicher ssg pii]

hi guys just looking for some advise : i have a .17 hmr and a .22/250
im thinking of looking to sort out a deer license but because i have 3 guns now ill have to get my house alarmed to get another rifle im just wondering would you reccomend getting a license on the .22/250 to shoot deer or how do they rate as a deer hunting rifle ?????????? much obliged

[hindstalker]

hi guys just looking for some advise : i have a .17 hmr and a .22/250
im thinking of looking to sort out a deer license but because i have 3 guns now ill have to get my house alarmed to get another rifle im just wondering would you reccomend getting a license on the .22/250 to shoot deer or how do they rate as a deer hunting rifle ?????????? much obliged

If i were you i would go for 243 will do same job as .22/250 on fox,but much better gun for deer,as for having to get alarm every area is different.that will be up to your super.

[Mac Tire]

the guy we work with up here basically works on the calibre of the firearm....alarm needed for .223 upwards and/or if theres a handgun involved. I know of a few guys up here that have 2 deer hunting rifles, a 22 250 and something bigger. Prob not much help to you though....:rolleyes:

[kerryman12]

If I was you I would look to trade up from the 22/250, it gives a better tool for the job.

[foxshooter243]

If I was you I would look to trade up from the 22/250, it gives a better tool for the job.

yeah , trade the 22-250 for 243 if you want a rifle that covers foxing and deer- the 243 is flatter than 22-250 anyways so its a gain in both areas.

[V MAX]

yeah , trade the 22-250 for 243 if you want a rifle that covers foxing and deer- the 243 is flatter than 22-250 anyways so its a gain in both areas.

you must shoot a lot of deer yourself foxshooter243 ? .

what cal n make do you own and what scope do you use on it .

thinking of a 30,06 myself

[foxshooter243]

you must shoot a lot of deer yourself foxshooter243 ? .

what cal n make do you own and what scope do you use on it .

thinking of a 30,06 myself

Im using a sako 75 heavy barrel in 243 with a nightforce or a swarovski scope, mostly the swarovski though, im only at the deer this last few years
and this year i put in a lot of time and effort to try to gain some real experience..welcome to the forum by the way:)

[V MAX]

[QUOTE=foxshooter243;13904]Im using a sako 75 heavy barrel in 243 with a nightforce or a swarovski scope, mostly the swarovski though, im only at the deer this last few years
and this year i put in a lot of time and effort to try to gain some real experience..welcome to the forum by the way:)[/QUOTE

thanks
looks a orght site .

o i thought you were at a gud few years ,how do you find the 243 on big stags .what bullet do you use in it and why would you change scopes for longer shots i imagine

[foxshooter243]

[QUOTE=foxshooter243;13904]Im using a sako 75 heavy barrel in 243 with a nightforce or a swarovski scope, mostly the swarovski though, im only at the deer this last few years
and this year i put in a lot of time and effort to try to gain some real experience..welcome to the forum by the way:)[/QUOTE

thanks
looks a orght site .

o i thought you were at a gud few years ,how do you find the 243 on big stags .what bullet do you use in it and why would you change scopes for longer shots i imagine

Well touch wood i havent shot anything with the 243 that had the remotest chance of getting away, they were all down pretty much where i shot them , except for a spiker that made six or seven yards, I was using a hornady 100 grain interlock which is pretty much a standard deer hunting bullet introduced in 1962 if memory serves me correct, bullet placement seems to key over everything else, and none of my shots were overly far away, out to about 140 yards.

The nightforce is a great long range small target scope, but the swarovski is super clear and the reticle is easier seen in low light, so better for twilight shooting i reckon.

[V MAX]

[QUOTE=V MAX;13906]

Well touch wood i havent shot anything with the 243 that had the remotest chance of getting away, they were all down pretty much where i shot them , except for a spiker that made six or seven yards, I was using a hornady 100 grain interlock which is pretty much a standard deer hunting bullet introduced in 1962 if memory serves me correct, bullet placement seems to key over everything else, and none of my shots were overly far away, out to about 140 yards.

The nightforce is a great long range small target scope, but the swarovski is super clear and the reticle is easier seen in low light, so better for twilight shooting i reckon.
what deer are you shooting red or fallaw

[foxshooter243]

[QUOTE=foxshooter243;13907]
what deer are you shooting red or fallaw

Reds in Donegal..

[V MAX]

[QUOTE=V MAX;13908]

Reds in Donegal..

do you not thing the 243 is not under powered for 25 stone reds .there not that plenty full up there i heard

[Mac Tire]

[QUOTE=foxshooter243;13909]

do you not thing the 243 is not under powered for 25 stone reds .there not that plenty full up there i heard

If you put your shot in the right place, it doesn't matter how big he is, hes going down bud...;)
Guys have shot big Reds for years when all they had was a 22 250....if you get in close enough, the fun part, all you need then is placement. ;)

[V MAX]

[QUOTE=V MAX;13910]

If you put your shot in the right place, it doesn't matter how big he is, hes going down bud...;)
Guys have shot big Reds for years when all they had was a 22 250....if you get in close enough, the fun part, all you need then is placement. ;)

have you shot many reds with you 22.250 mactire .i thought they only used that cal due to the troubles and not by choice .i heard it blows up on impact on skin

[foxshooter243]

[QUOTE=foxshooter243;13909]

do you not thing the 243 is not under powered for 25 stone reds .there not that plenty full up there i heard

well I shot 8 reds this season and my mate shot three, all with 243 and everyone of them were down on the spot, except one and he only made a few yards....three of those eight were decent sized stags.

[Mac Tire]

[QUOTE=Mac Tire;13913]

have you shot many reds with you 22.250 mactire .i thought they only used that cal due to the troubles and not by choice .i heard it blows up on impact on skin

Na, i dont have a 22 250, i use a 308...a guy i go stalking with sometimes used a 22 250 from the mid steventies up to around 8 years ago (thats alot of deer)...he dropped some really big animals, he still uses it on occasion but its semi retired now...;)

[V MAX]

[QUOTE=V MAX;13910]

well I shot 8 reds this season and my mate shot three, all with 243 and everyone of them were down on the spot, except one and he only made a few yards....three of those eight were decent sized stags.

any throphys love to see a pic .i know a friend that shoots red around lough derg.not many on the ground

[patrickdt10]

yup bullet placement is what your lookin for! last deer i got was a lovely heart shot! - she fell flat on her face! on inspection all that was left of the heart was the bottom piece, the top was shredded by the bullet!
Im probably not alone on this one, but its a nice feelin when they just drop to the shot:d at least you know they didnt suffer

[foxshooter243]

[QUOTE=foxshooter243;13915]

any throphys love to see a pic .i know a friend that shoots red around lough derg.not many on the ground

some pics on this thread;

http://www.irishshooter.com/showthread.php?t=144&page=9

[steyr mannlicher ssg pii]

ive decided to keep the steyr .22250 and go for another rifle for getting the deer licence firstly what caliber would yee reccomend my friend has a .308 i think it might be a bit extreme but price of bullets are attractive can anyone reccomend a caliber ---- and the price of the bullets are important . i was looking at duffys site a rem sps is very cheap does anyone have any experience with sps .or recommend a gun oh and im left handed if things werent bad enough but i can use right hand rifles but would be sweet to ge a left hander thanks guys.

[kerryman12]

I have a prohunter in .243 for the deer.

If I had it all again, money no object I would go for T3 in .308.

You have to think about what you are going to be shooting. Mostly I am on sika and fallow under 200 yrds - so I wont be changing from .243 I dont need to. I have taken a red stag at 170yrds with this also. There are plenty of other calibers that are more or less suitable .270/.30 06. But you have to be practical about this I feel. You will need ammo going forward. that is why a more main stream caliber with a wide range of inexpensive ammo makes sense hence .308.


Best Of luck

[Hartman]

ive decided to keep the steyr .22250 and go for another rifle for getting the deer licence firstly what caliber would yee reccomend my friend has a .308 i think it might be a bit extreme but price of bullets are attractive can anyone reccomend a caliber ---- and the price of the bullets are important . i was looking at duffys site a rem sps is very cheap does anyone have any experience with sps .or recommend a gun oh and im left handed if things werent bad enough but i can use right hand rifles but would be sweet to ge a left hander thanks guys.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c78/streethachi/SSL12340.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c78/streethachi/SSL12342.jpg

really nice lefty that john greene has, afaik its still down there

[steyr mannlicher ssg pii]

thats a sweet piece of equipment alright wats the specs of it looks sweet . and pm me the price if you know cheers hartman cheers kerry man i hear ya on 308 . 30 06 bullets seem fairly cheep looks like a huge round even to a 308

[Hartman]

thats a sweet piece of equipment alright wats the specs of it looks sweet . and pm me the price if you know cheers hartman cheers kerry man i hear ya on 308 . 30 06 bullets seem fairly cheep looks like a huge round even to a 308

i think it may be sold, give john a ring tomoro